From Mark at Matarella.com  Fri Apr 10 13:29:28 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Message-ID: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>

Hello all,

 

  I'm not clear if this list is still active but thought I'd give it a try.
Since it's Kathy's list there will be at least one person I know still on
it!

 

  I've moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among
other 'net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I'm digging the
bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black
asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I'd sold mine 20+
years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine
that I sold back in the day!  He's refreshed it and it will be one of a
couple! Bikes he'll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick your
toe in the water when you can dive in!

  Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is alive.
I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought I'd try.
I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!

 

   Mark

 

Mark Matarella

2917 Glenpark Rd 

Palm Harbor FL 34683

H:727-789-2317

C:703-725-7638

 

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From bobkwartin at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 14:43:51 2020
From: bobkwartin at gmail.com (Bob Kwartin)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 15:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
References: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <CAL7NnyWf13hOO409+B2zFHLva0YgxRwWvWuXies6DCJb75q0xQ@mail.gmail.com>

The list is still alive.  I'm in Northern Virginia; my ride is a Longbikes
Slipstream.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
>   I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a
> try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know
> still on it!
>
>
>
>   I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among
> other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the
> bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black
> asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+
> years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was
> mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of
> a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick
> your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>
>   Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is
> alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought
> I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>
>
>
>    Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Matarella
>
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
> H:727-789-2317
>
> C:703-725-7638
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>


-- 
Bob Kwartin
KPS, LLC
bobkwartin at gmail.com
571-276-0193 m
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From jim.lay21045 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 14:53:31 2020
From: jim.lay21045 at gmail.com (Jim Lay)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 15:53:31 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
References: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>

Still here in Columbia, MD. Carbent Raven.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
>   I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a
> try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know
> still on it!
>
>
>
>   I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among
> other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the
> bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black
> asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+
> years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was
> mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of
> a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick
> your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>
>   Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is
> alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought
> I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>
>
>
>    Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Matarella
>
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
> H:727-789-2317
>
> C:703-725-7638
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>
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From sbheller at sprintmail.com  Fri Apr 10 15:01:14 2020
From: sbheller at sprintmail.com (Steve Heller)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
References: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <B0FCAAA0-0989-4A7E-93C8-A2B29F89CAA7@sprintmail.com>

Still here in Lorton, Virginia, and still riding an Easy Racers Tour Easy.

Steve Heller
(sent from my iPhone)

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello all,
>  
>   I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know still on it!
>  
>   I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
> 
>   Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>  
>    Mark
>  
> Mark Matarella
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
> H:727-789-2317
> C:703-725-7638
>  
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From bill_hole at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 15:19:05 2020
From: bill_hole at yahoo.com (Bill Hole)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:19:05 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>

Still in Silver Spring, but no longer riding thanks to a distracted driver. Still have a Pursuit and a broken Aero. A few of us former WHIRLies are still in regular contact, but the weekly ride is kaput.

Bill Hole

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Still here in Columbia, MD. Carbent Raven.
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know still on it!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>> 
>>   Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>    Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark Matarella
>> 
>> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>> 
>> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>> 
>> H:727-789-2317
>> 
>> C:703-725-7638
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> WHIRL mailing list
>> WHIRL at bilton.us
>> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From bill_hole at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 15:19:05 2020
From: bill_hole at yahoo.com (Bill Hole)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:19:05 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>

Still in Silver Spring, but no longer riding thanks to a distracted driver. Still have a Pursuit and a broken Aero. A few of us former WHIRLies are still in regular contact, but the weekly ride is kaput.

Bill Hole

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Still here in Columbia, MD. Carbent Raven.
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know still on it!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>> 
>>   Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>    Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark Matarella
>> 
>> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>> 
>> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>> 
>> H:727-789-2317
>> 
>> C:703-725-7638
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> WHIRL mailing list
>> WHIRL at bilton.us
>> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From Mark at Matarella.com  Fri Apr 10 16:09:56 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:09:56 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>

Hi all,

 

  I rode with WHIRL in the pretty early days. Vic Sussman, Alan Pollock, Mark Colliton.  I rode with Jim Kellet and his daughter, Kathy Bilton of course. Bill Cook? More names will pop into my head right after I hit send I?m sure. The WHIRL route was a great ride. Occasionally Vic and Mark would lead a detour off the usual route up ?cardiac hill? J   I organized the WHIRL Big Ride back in 1998-2000, with permission and blessing of Vic and Alan which I sought because the whole principle of WHIRL was no organization. They happily made an exception for my effort and that event.  And of course I created and ran Recumbents.com for several years, eventually passing that to Warren Beauchamp and WISIL.

  I still have my first bent a Linear LWB but it took some damage when it fell off a bike storage pole years ago. I will decide whether to order replacement parts or part out once I assess the ?new to me? bikes coming soon. 

  I still have the Rans Stratus I bought from Mark Colliton, which he converted to a 24 inch wheel and fork to great effect.

  I still have a Lightning version M5 CroMo Low racer with mono blade suspended fork, but we discovered years ago the fork was cracked. Lighting showed no interest in assisting. But I discovered John Schlitter ex of Rans is now dba Schlitter bikes just south of me in St Pete and deals in M5. So once social distancing is no longer necessary I?ll reach out to him to see if we can get a fork and get that on the road too. 

  I mentioned Larry Black aka Mt Airy Bicycles found and refurbed MY old Rotator Pursuit. That will be on the way to me shortly. Thanks Larry!
  Also a Kingcycle I test rode at Mt Airy 20+ years ago and really liked turned out to still be in the Mt Airy warehouse, that shipped to me today. Thanks Larry!
  And last but not least, a Ryan Vanguard from Mt Airy is about to be shipped as well. I?ve ridden them in the past and loved it. Once I?ve got the Ryan as a fantastic example of LWB USS I will decide if I want to fix the Linear too or part that out. 

 

  So right now I?m cleaning and reorganizing the garage!

 

Mark Matarella

2917 Glenpark Rd 

Palm Harbor FL 34683

H:727-789-2317

C:703-725-7638

 

 

 

 

From: Bill Hole [mailto:bill_hole at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:19 PM
To: Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>; WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

 

Still in Silver Spring, but no longer riding thanks to a distracted driver. Still have a Pursuit and a broken Aero. A few of us former WHIRLies are still in regular contact, but the weekly ride is kaput.

 

Bill Hole

Sent from my iPad





On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com <mailto:jim.lay21045 at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Still here in Columbia, MD. Carbent Raven.

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com> > wrote:

Hello all,

 

  I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a try.  Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know still on it!

 

  I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m digging the bikes out again.  A fairly amazing story, I reached out to Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!  He?s refreshed it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!

  Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!

 

   Mark

 

Mark Matarella

2917 Glenpark Rd 

Palm Harbor FL 34683

H:727-789-2317

C:703-725-7638

 

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WHIRL at bilton.us <mailto:WHIRL at bilton.us> 
http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us

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From halginsberg1963 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 16:39:59 2020
From: halginsberg1963 at gmail.com (Hal Ginsberg)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:39:59 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <c426a1d4-01d8-0dd9-ebab-6e7c672cce1d@gmail.com>

First email I've gotten from this group since I signed up a while ago. 
Since then, my 2005 road Easy Racer Tour Easy suffered a catastrophic 
frame failure when the derailleur dropout ripped out of the frame.

I bought a Bachetta Bella from Vienna, VA Bikes over the summer and 
enjoy quite a bit, though it's not as fast.

I ride by myself or with traditional diamond racer riders since I have 
found no recumbent group.

Now, we all stay far apart regardless of course.

I live in Kensington, MD


Hal Ginsberg
State Organizer
Our Revolution Maryland
(301) 933-0018 (home)
(240) 283-7262 (mobile)
On 4/10/20 5:09 PM, Mark Matarella wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I rode with WHIRL in the pretty early days. Vic Sussman, Alan Pollock, 
> Mark Colliton.? I rode with Jim Kellet and his daughter, Kathy Bilton 
> of course. Bill Cook? More names will pop into my head right after I 
> hit send I?m sure. The WHIRL route was a great ride. Occasionally Vic 
> and Mark would lead a detour off the usual route up ?cardiac hill? JI 
> organized the WHIRL Big Ride back in 1998-2000, with permission and 
> blessing of Vic and Alan which I sought because the whole principle of 
> WHIRL was no organization. They happily made an exception for my 
> effort and that event. ?And of course I created and ran Recumbents.com 
> for several years, eventually passing that to Warren Beauchamp and WISIL.
>
> ? I still have my first bent a Linear LWB but it took some damage when 
> it fell off a bike storage pole years ago. I will decide whether to 
> order replacement parts or part out once I assess the ?new to me? 
> bikes coming soon.
>
> ??I still have the Rans Stratus I bought from Mark Colliton, which he 
> converted to a 24 inch wheel and fork to great effect.
>
> I still have a Lightning version M5 CroMo Low racer with mono blade 
> suspended fork, but we discovered years ago the fork was cracked. 
> Lighting showed no interest in assisting. But I discovered John 
> Schlitter ex of Rans is now dba Schlitter bikes just south of me in St 
> Pete and deals in M5. So once social distancing is no longer necessary 
> I?ll reach out to him to see if we can get a fork and get that on the 
> road too.
>
> ??I mentioned Larry Black aka Mt Airy Bicycles found and refurbed MY 
> old Rotator Pursuit. That will be on the way to me shortly. Thanks Larry!
> ? Also a Kingcycle I test rode at Mt Airy 20+ years ago and really 
> liked turned out to still be in the Mt Airy warehouse, that shipped to 
> me today. Thanks Larry!
> ? And last but not least, a Ryan Vanguard from Mt Airy is about to be 
> shipped as well. I?ve ridden them in the past and loved it. Once I?ve 
> got the Ryan as a fantastic example of LWB USS I will decide if I want 
> to fix the Linear too or part that out.
>
> So right now I?m cleaning and reorganizing the garage!
>
> Mark Matarella
>
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
> H:727-789-2317
>
> C:703-725-7638
>
> *From:*Bill Hole [mailto:bill_hole at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 4:19 PM
> *To:* Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>; WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still 
> around!
>
> Still in Silver Spring, but no longer riding thanks to a distracted 
> driver. Still have a Pursuit and a broken Aero. A few of us former 
> WHIRLies are still in regular contact, but the weekly ride is kaput.
>
> Bill Hole
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>     On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lay <jim.lay21045 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jim.lay21045 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     Still here in Columbia, MD. Carbent Raven.
>
>     On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com
>     <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hello all,
>
>         I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d
>         give it a try.? Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least
>         one person I know still on it!
>
>         I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this
>         list among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the
>         fact I?m digging the bikes out again.? A fairly amazing story,
>         I reached out to Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open
>         for a Rotator Pursuit. I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret
>         it. He not only came across a Pursuit, but it was mine that I
>         sold back in the day!? He?s refreshed it and it will be one of
>         a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the next few days. J
>         Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>
>         ? Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the
>         list is alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any
>         messages so thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of
>         W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>
>         Mark
>
>         Mark Matarella
>
>         2917 Glenpark Rd
>
>         Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
>         H:727-789-2317
>
>         C:703-725-7638
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         WHIRL mailing list
>         WHIRL at bilton.us <mailto:WHIRL at bilton.us>
>         http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     WHIRL mailing list
>     WHIRL at bilton.us <mailto:WHIRL at bilton.us>
>     http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us

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From reedchrisj at aol.com  Fri Apr 10 19:27:19 2020
From: reedchrisj at aol.com (reedchrisj at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 00:27:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
References: <712034484.4022650.1586564839574.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <712034484.4022650.1586564839574@mail.yahoo.com>

I am still riding my 28 year old Ryan Vanguard mostly on the Custis, Mt. Vernon and W&OD trails starting in Arlington where I live.
Christopher Reed
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From timothy.bouquet at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 18:50:58 2020
From: timothy.bouquet at gmail.com (Tim Bouquet)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 19:50:58 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
References: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <a98511db-0416-c9f9-7eba-f591e03cea5d@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm still here in DC.? In the 90's I was riding a Linear.? In 2011, I
crashed my Rans Stratus on a pothole.? I broke my leg and the frame, so
I purchased a used Barcroft Virginia at Bikes at Vienna.? I also
purchased a MACH 2 frame from Recycled Recumbents and outfitted it with
the Rans parts.? The Virginia is great but the MACH 2 rides great and is
more fun. Until the COVID, I was mostly captaining one of my tandems
with the Metro Washington Area Blind Athletes.? Now that I am forced to
ride a distant single, I am getting the recumbent bikes out more.

-- Tim


On #2 #3, Mark Matarella wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> ?
>
> ? I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a
> try. ?Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know
> still on it!
>
> ?
>
> ? I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list
> among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m
> digging the bikes out again.? A fairly amazing story, I reached out to
> Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit.
> I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a
> Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!? He?s refreshed
> it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the
> next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>
> ? Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is
> alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so
> thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>
> ?
>
> ?? Mark
>
> ?
>
> Mark Matarella
>
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
> H:727-789-2317
>
> C:703-725-7638
>
> ?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From jjohnson at topcog.com  Fri Apr 10 19:42:41 2020
From: jjohnson at topcog.com (Janis Linkov-Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:42:41 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
References: <000001d60f65$f95fb180$ec1f1480$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <29749725-442b-a57e-bd92-afdbe1dd50bc@topcog.com>

Mark,

The list has been silence for at least 3 years.? I rode a few times with 
this group but at the time I lived in Reston (now Herndon) and found 
getting to Rock Creek Park difficult on Saturday AMs.

I still have my bike e, but found ways to modify my wedgies so that I 
could ride them (found my riding my bent decreased my already slow speed 
by 20%.)

Janis

On 4/10/2020 2:29 PM, Mark Matarella wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> ? I?m not clear if this list is still active but thought I?d give it a 
> try. ?Since it?s Kathy?s list there will be at least one person I know 
> still on it!
>
> ? I?ve moved down to Florida 8 years ago. I reached out to this list 
> among other ?net bent resources through nostalgia and the fact I?m 
> digging the bikes out again.? A fairly amazing story, I reached out to 
> Larry Black asking him to keep his eyes open for a Rotator Pursuit. 
> I?d sold mine 20+ years back and regret it. He not only came across a 
> Pursuit, but it was mine that I sold back in the day!? He?s refreshed 
> it and it will be one of a couple! Bikes he?ll be shipping me over the 
> next few days. J Why stick your toe in the water when you can dive in!
>
> ? Anyway not sure how if anyone will even see this or if the list is 
> alive. I joined a couple weeks ago and having seen any messages so 
> thought I?d try. I do miss the old days of W.H.I.R.L for sure!
>
> ?? Mark
>
> Mark Matarella
>
> 2917 Glenpark Rd
>
> Palm Harbor FL 34683
>
> H:727-789-2317
>
> C:703-725-7638
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From mucklow at ieee.org  Sat Apr 11 06:30:24 2020
From: mucklow at ieee.org (Glenn Mucklow)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:30:24 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] Greetings
Message-ID: <010CF437-E7AD-4806-8EDA-155B688090F9@mac.com>

I rode regularly with Whirl and occasionally other groups in VA long ago.  I got a Tour Easy fame and tricked it out with the latest and greatest components.  I spent over $4000 on it over the years and put over 10,000 miles on it, as I used to ride to work regularly as well and did a couple of centuries on it also.  I migrated to riding it on a trainer and later passed it on to my son.  I still remember many of the group and especially Kathy.

Glenn Mucklow

From kathy at fred.net  Sat Apr 11 10:38:07 2020
From: kathy at fred.net (KATHY BILTON)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:38:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>

Fri, 10 Apr 2020, at 17:09, Mark Matarella opined:

>Hi all,

>lead a detour off the usual route up ?cardiac hill? J?? I organized the
>WHIRL Big Ride back in 1998-2000, with permission and blessing of Vic and
>Alan which I sought because the whole principle of WHIRL was no
>organization. They happily made an exception for my effort and that event.

Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at 
least for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD

From Mark at Matarella.com  Sat Apr 11 11:28:05 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>
Message-ID: <000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>


 HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
in with other stuff. 

-----Original Message-----
From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD



From bikelarry at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 11:44:44 2020
From: bikelarry at gmail.com (larry black)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:44:44 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>
	<000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <CAHhXV2XoNn2bQWPbDSk4VNO3xWW2=uB+0Juerd8YP1JjVwXCvw@mail.gmail.com>

betcha you're missing the hills Mark
I found some eneceleopedias and bike culture mags and even a VHS
Encyclopedia
I'll pack with the next bike - should be the rotator while i look for the
ryan mesh

Hi Kathy

besides David Egan, the four on your list were among my top 5 early
enablers:
Kathy
Vic
Mark
Jim

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

>
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
> mixed
> in with other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
>
> That was such a great event, Mark!
>
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
>
> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>


-- 
Larry Black
Mt Airy Bicycle
College Park Bicycle
Maryland, USA
www.bike123.com
larry at bike123.com
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From Mark at Matarella.com  Sat Apr 11 12:01:40 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:01:40 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <CAHhXV2XoNn2bQWPbDSk4VNO3xWW2=uB+0Juerd8YP1JjVwXCvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>
	<000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>
	<CAHhXV2XoNn2bQWPbDSk4VNO3xWW2=uB+0Juerd8YP1JjVwXCvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d61022$e0a72070$a1f56150$@Matarella.com>

Missing the hills? Not yet. Once I get back in shape maybe. I used to do several ?organized? ride each year. Some tours and fund raisers. The toughest for me was a two day DC to Richmond ride that wandered out west then down. 86 miles the first day and 60 something the second. Pretty hilly by my standards. It was the first ride in the spring and I got to the point I trained for that knowing if I did well on that the rest of the year would be a breeze.

Oh man, I?m going to have fun with the mags and video. I really ate that stuff up and will gladly do so again. I remember a small thick book, Cycling Science I think it was. Grey and blue cover, it got into drive efficiency, aerodynamics, all kinds of nerdy fun.

 

I am busy cleaning and re organizing the garage to make safe room for double the number of bikes!

 

From: larry black [mailto:bikelarry at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:45 PM
To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

 

betcha you're missing the hills Mark

I found some eneceleopedias and bike culture mags and even a VHS Encyclopedia

I'll pack with the next bike - should be the rotator while i look for the ryan mesh

 

Hi Kathy

 

besides David Egan, the four on your list were among my top 5 early enablers:

Kathy

Vic

Mark

Jim 

 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com> > wrote:


 HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
in with other stuff. 

-----Original Message-----
From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us> ] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us> >
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD


_______________________________________________
WHIRL mailing list
WHIRL at bilton.us <mailto:WHIRL at bilton.us> 
http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us




 

-- 

Larry Black
Mt Airy Bicycle
College Park Bicycle
Maryland, USA
www.bike123.com <http://www.bike123.com> 
larry at bike123.com <mailto:larry at bike123.com> 

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From rsimonds at vt.edu  Sat Apr 11 12:04:05 2020
From: rsimonds at vt.edu (Bob Simonds)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:04:05 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
	<000701d60f7c$63994a00$2acbde00$@Matarella.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.2004111131110.67256@shell.xecu.net>
	<000c01d6101e$2e95a270$8bc0e750$@Matarella.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPQhD0PSjYx7hi39WZSsXLbEw2jYXzW7UDmJEOMKagN6ECR6A@mail.gmail.com>

I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as
I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list
pop up again.

I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has
well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a
couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US.
Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.

Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the
big rides?

Bob Simonds,
Blacksburg, VA

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

>
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
> mixed
> in with other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
>
> That was such a great event, Mark!
>
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
>
> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
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From bikelarry at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 12:17:49 2020
From: bikelarry at gmail.com (larry black)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:17:49 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
In-Reply-To: <000401d61022$e0a72070$a1f56150$@Matarella.com>
References: <CAD_8wbaGnL5=BgF2Prd22iQJeP7=VDMQz4dNBbk1HtT6405yWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC297706-0ACD-4467-88FC-A09A76EB1D5F@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHhXV2Vhbp3TfsNjm6uCbYFNpcZKXFvhyOVEQVGHPuPC_aAEwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would need an extra dose of add medication to read even one chapter

if you want I'll send you my copy!!
one of 1100 titles
not to mention RCN going back to the earliest issues

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:01 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

> Missing the hills? Not yet. Once I get back in shape maybe. I used to do
> several ?organized? ride each year. Some tours and fund raisers. The
> toughest for me was a two day DC to Richmond ride that wandered out west
> then down. 86 miles the first day and 60 something the second. Pretty hilly
> by my standards. It was the first ride in the spring and I got to the point
> I trained for that knowing if I did well on that the rest of the year would
> be a breeze.
>
> Oh man, I?m going to have fun with the mags and video. I really ate that
> stuff up and will gladly do so again. I remember a small thick book,
> Cycling Science I think it was. Grey and blue cover, it got into drive
> efficiency, aerodynamics, all kinds of nerdy fun.
>
>
>
> I am busy cleaning and re organizing the garage to make safe room for
> double the number of bikes!
>
>
>
> *From:* larry black [mailto:bikelarry at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:45 PM
> *To:* Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> *Cc:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
> around!
>
>
>
> betcha you're missing the hills Mark
>
> I found some eneceleopedias and bike culture mags and even a VHS
> Encyclopedia
>
> I'll pack with the next bike - should be the rotator while i look for the
> ryan mesh
>
>
>
> Hi Kathy
>
>
>
> besides David Egan, the four on your list were among my top 5 early
> enablers:
>
> Kathy
>
> Vic
>
> Mark
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
> mixed
> in with other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
>
> That was such a great event, Mark!
>
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
>
> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WHIRL mailing list
> WHIRL at bilton.us
> http://bilton.us/mailman/listinfo/whirl_bilton.us
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Larry Black
> Mt Airy Bicycle
> College Park Bicycle
> Maryland, USA
> www.bike123.com
> larry at bike123.com
>


-- 
Larry Black
Mt Airy Bicycle
College Park Bicycle
Maryland, USA
www.bike123.com
larry at bike123.com
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From lwgause at cox.net  Sat Apr 11 15:36:21 2020
From: lwgause at cox.net (Lee Gause)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Message-ID: <2D054CC9-F922-4C7D-AD34-9FEA221B6CF5@cox.net>

Sudden activity on the WHIRL list!  Ghosts from the past.  I rode a Linear with WHIRL back in the day and my wife had one of the early V-Rex.  Linear is retired and V-Rex stored.  We live in Virginia Beach now and ride fat tire comfort bikes around the neighborhood.  Flat as a pancake here.

~Lee

From Michael.Butler at USPTO.GOV  Sat Apr 11 23:50:32 2020
From: Michael.Butler at USPTO.GOV (Butler, Michael (AU3653))
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 04:50:32 +0000
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went out of business in
They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of business or did Dana find alternatives?
 As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above average space to turn around?
Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?

Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.






From: WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us> On Behalf Of Bob Simonds
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list pop up again.

I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US. Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.

Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the big rides?

Bob Simonds,
Blacksburg, VA

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com<mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:

 HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
in with other stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us<mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us<mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD


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From Mark at Matarella.com  Sun Apr 12 00:08:22 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 01:08:22 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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Howdy. I didn?t realize they?d done frames for Bill. Or didn?t remember at least. I was able to turn it OK. But I am used to LWB. It does have a large tiller factor but that does not really bug me in a bike since I only notice it in a U turn usually.

 

Well Longbikes is still around I know, making the Slipstream their updated version of the Ryan Vanguard. I believe Linear is still going. Others will have to chime in now. I?ve been fixating on bikes from a few years back as you can tell and honestly not up to date on what is current.

 

Thanks re my sell date I?ve been trying to figure it out. I remember who I sold it to but for the life of me I don?t remember who I got it from! Larry at the store? A private party? I don?t have a clue! I know I had it in 2000 since I am on it in a pic of the 2000 Big Ride. I?m going to have to dig out some photo albums of some rides to see what I had and when. Now that I think of it I sold my Linear to a friend who rode it for several years. Then gave it back to me when he bought a SWB. I seem to have a habit of selling bikes and getting them back. LOL. I hope that monstrous Russian HPV doesn?t come back to roost!

 

 

 

From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of Butler, Michael (AU3653)
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:51 AM
To: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

 

I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went out of business in 

They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of business or did Dana find alternatives? 

 As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above average space to turn around? 

Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?

I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?

 

Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us> > On Behalf Of Bob Simonds
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com> >
Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us> >
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

 

I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list pop up again.

 

I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US. Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.

 

Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the big rides?

 

Bob Simonds,

Blacksburg, VA

 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com> > wrote:


 HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
in with other stuff. 

-----Original Message-----
From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us> ] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us> >
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0> 

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD


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From cannonwarren at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 04:45:58 2020
From: cannonwarren at gmail.com (William Cannon Warren)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:45:58 +0200
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Heyo,

I'm new to the group, signed up a year or two ago looking for some bent
riding mates, but have now moved on to Frankfurt, Germany. I left my bent
bikes in the US for the moment. A bacchetta ti aero, and a barcroft
Columbia tandem.

Last year the tandem's steel chain stay snapped close to the frame. I had
some local dude, Bruce the welder, weld it back together, but sadly the
other stays were bent out of shape so now it's all screwed up. I'm trying
to get it fixed and considering just replacing all the chain and seat stays
at this point. They seem a little under-engineered for a touring couple.

Does anyone have recommendations for someone who can work on a steel
recumbent frame with this kind of problem? Obviously, I'm not in any
hurry...

Thanks and hope I can ride with y'all soon, and feel free to drop a line if
anyone comes to Germany.

Best,

Cannon


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 AM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:

> Howdy. I didn?t realize they?d done frames for Bill. Or didn?t remember at
> least. I was able to turn it OK. But I am used to LWB. It does have a large
> tiller factor but that does not really bug me in a bike since I only notice
> it in a U turn usually.
>
>
>
> Well Longbikes is still around I know, making the Slipstream their updated
> version of the Ryan Vanguard. I believe Linear is still going. Others will
> have to chime in now. I?ve been fixating on bikes from a few years back as
> you can tell and honestly not up to date on what is current.
>
>
>
> Thanks re my sell date I?ve been trying to figure it out. I remember who I
> sold it to but for the life of me I don?t remember who I got it from! Larry
> at the store? A private party? I don?t have a clue! I know I had it in 2000
> since I am on it in a pic of the 2000 Big Ride. I?m going to have to dig
> out some photo albums of some rides to see what I had and when. Now that I
> think of it I sold my Linear to a friend who rode it for several years.
> Then gave it back to me when he bought a SWB. I seem to have a habit of
> selling bikes and getting them back. LOL. I hope that monstrous Russian HPV
> doesn?t come back to roost!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] *On Behalf Of *Butler,
> Michael (AU3653)
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:51 AM
> *To:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
> around!
>
>
>
> I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these
> conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went
> out of business in
>
> They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from
> that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of
> business or did Dana find alternatives?
>
>  As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above
> average space to turn around?
>
> Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
>
> I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in
> 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?
>
>
>
> Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I
> think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us> *On Behalf Of *Bob Simonds
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
> *To:* Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> *Cc:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
> around!
>
>
>
> I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as
> I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list
> pop up again.
>
>
>
> I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has
> well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a
> couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US.
> Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.
>
>
>
> Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the
> big rides?
>
>
>
> Bob Simonds,
>
> Blacksburg, VA
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
> mixed
> in with other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
>
> That was such a great event, Mark!
>
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
> <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>
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> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
>
>
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From wilcoxb0713 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 10:16:54 2020
From: wilcoxb0713 at gmail.com (Barbara Wilcox)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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I joined this group after everyone stopped riding together.  This is the
first I've seen any action.  I have a Catrike Expedition.  If anyone wants
to ride once we can get out of quarantine, let me know.  I live in
Montgomery county and I am kind of a newby with recumbent riding.

Barbara

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:50 AM Butler, Michael (AU3653) <
Michael.Butler at uspto.gov> wrote:

> I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these
> conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went
> out of business in
>
> They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from
> that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of
> business or did Dana find alternatives?
>
>  As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above
> average space to turn around?
>
> Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
>
> I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in
> 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?
>
>
>
> Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I
> think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us> *On Behalf Of *Bob Simonds
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
> *To:* Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> *Cc:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
> around!
>
>
>
> I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as
> I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list
> pop up again.
>
>
>
> I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has
> well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a
> couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US.
> Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.
>
>
>
> Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the
> big rides?
>
>
>
> Bob Simonds,
>
> Blacksburg, VA
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
> mixed
> in with other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
>
> That was such a great event, Mark!
>
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
> <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:49:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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I?m still around. I have a Barcroft Dakota but I have not been riding much during past couple of years. I retired a year ago and interesting thing is that I lost 25 lbs pretty much not doing anything special except I attribute it to cutting?way down on eating snacks,etc. ?I use to do a lot of stress eating when I had difficult issues to solve at work. But now that I retired, I still eat some snacks but obviously a lot less. ?Now need to get back on my bike and ride a bit on my local streets before venturing out on longer rides.

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 On?Sunday, April 12, 2020,?Barbara Wilcox?<wilcoxb0713 at gmail.com>?wrote:

I joined this group after everyone stopped riding together.? This is the first I've seen any action.? I have a Catrike Expedition.? If anyone wants to ride once we can get out of quarantine, let me know.? I live in Montgomery county and I am kind of a newby with recumbent riding.
Barbara

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:50 AM Butler, Michael (AU3653) <Michael.Butler at uspto.gov> wrote:


I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.? Is see they went out of business in 

They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from that activity and sold it to Dana out west.? Is Barcroft also out of business or did Dana find alternatives? 

?As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above average space to turn around?

Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?

I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in 04.? Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?

?

Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.

?

?

?

?

?

?

From: WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us>On Behalf Of Bob Simonds
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

?

I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as I would have?liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list pop up again.

?

I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US. Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.

?

Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat?during one of the big rides?

?

Bob Simonds,

Blacksburg, VA

?

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:



?HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
in with other stuff. 

-----Original Message-----
From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
Hi all as well!

That was such a great event, Mark!

More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw

--Kathy
in Sharpsburg MD


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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:45 AM, William Cannon Warren <cannonwarren at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Heyo,
> 
> I'm new to the group, signed up a year or two ago looking for some bent riding mates, but have now moved on to Frankfurt, Germany. I left my bent bikes in the US for the moment. A bacchetta ti aero, and a barcroft Columbia tandem.
> 
> Last year the tandem's steel chain stay snapped close to the frame. I had some local dude, Bruce the welder, weld it back together, but sadly the other stays were bent out of shape so now it's all screwed up. I'm trying to get it fixed and considering just replacing all the chain and seat stays at this point. They seem a little under-engineered for a touring couple. 
> 
> Does anyone have recommendations for someone who can work on a steel recumbent frame with this kind of problem? Obviously, I'm not in any hurry...
> 
> Thanks and hope I can ride with y'all soon, and feel free to drop a line if anyone comes to Germany.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Cannon 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 AM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:
> Howdy. I didn?t realize they?d done frames for Bill. Or didn?t remember at least. I was able to turn it OK. But I am used to LWB. It does have a large tiller factor but that does not really bug me in a bike since I only notice it in a U turn usually.
> 
>  
> 
> Well Longbikes is still around I know, making the Slipstream their updated version of the Ryan Vanguard. I believe Linear is still going. Others will have to chime in now. I?ve been fixating on bikes from a few years back as you can tell and honestly not up to date on what is current.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks re my sell date I?ve been trying to figure it out. I remember who I sold it to but for the life of me I don?t remember who I got it from! Larry at the store? A private party? I don?t have a clue! I know I had it in 2000 since I am on it in a pic of the 2000 Big Ride. I?m going to have to dig out some photo albums of some rides to see what I had and when. Now that I think of it I sold my Linear to a friend who rode it for several years. Then gave it back to me when he bought a SWB. I seem to have a habit of selling bikes and getting them back. LOL. I hope that monstrous Russian HPV doesn?t come back to roost!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>] On Behalf Of Butler, Michael (AU3653)
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:51 AM
> To: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> 
>  
> 
> I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went out of business in
> 
> They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of business or did Dana find alternatives?
> 
>  As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above average space to turn around?
> 
> Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
> 
> I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>> On Behalf Of Bob Simonds
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
> To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>>
> Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> 
>  
> 
> I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list pop up again.
> 
>  
> 
> I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US. Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the big rides?
> 
>  
> 
> Bob Simonds,
> 
> Blacksburg, VA
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
> in with other stuff. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
> 
> That was such a great event, Mark!
> 
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>
> 
> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:11:01 -0400
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Mark,

With regard to when you bought your Pursuit I can guarantee you had it before the fall of 1998 because that?s when I saw it at the Washington Sailing Marina and was inspired to purchase my first of several bents.

As to turning radius my experience was that it was quite large, partly in view  of the long wheelbase, but also because of the low center of gravity and the long tiller effect, both of which made low speed handling more difficult than on most bents.  Despite the low-speed handling problems the Pursuit is still my favorite bent of all the ones I have owned.  The combination of comfort and speed(with a fairing), without having to resort to a very laid-back seating position, is superior to that of any other bent I have ridden.  I have no  doubt that the Pursuit, with the factory fairing and tailbox, is faster on the level and downhill, but not climbing, than a Gold Rush Replica with the zipped-up closed cloth fairing.  I?m sure I would get a lot of flack on this, but the lower frontal area of the Pursuit is too much for the Gold Rush to compete with.

It?s sad that so many of the companies that promoted the emergence of recumbents in the 1990s and 2000s are no longer with us.  I also find it sad that so much of the recumbent market is dominated by trikes.  I?m a huge fan of trikes, having owned two, but the greater speed, reduced weight, easier transportability and stowage, as well as lesser cost, should make two-wheel bents at least as popular as trikes.

Enjoy riding your cycles as a way of dealing with this pandemic, and thank you Kathy for keeping this forum going.

Len Thunberg


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:45 AM, William Cannon Warren <cannonwarren at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Heyo,
> 
> I'm new to the group, signed up a year or two ago looking for some bent riding mates, but have now moved on to Frankfurt, Germany. I left my bent bikes in the US for the moment. A bacchetta ti aero, and a barcroft Columbia tandem.
> 
> Last year the tandem's steel chain stay snapped close to the frame. I had some local dude, Bruce the welder, weld it back together, but sadly the other stays were bent out of shape so now it's all screwed up. I'm trying to get it fixed and considering just replacing all the chain and seat stays at this point. They seem a little under-engineered for a touring couple. 
> 
> Does anyone have recommendations for someone who can work on a steel recumbent frame with this kind of problem? Obviously, I'm not in any hurry...
> 
> Thanks and hope I can ride with y'all soon, and feel free to drop a line if anyone comes to Germany.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Cannon 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 AM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:
> Howdy. I didn?t realize they?d done frames for Bill. Or didn?t remember at least. I was able to turn it OK. But I am used to LWB. It does have a large tiller factor but that does not really bug me in a bike since I only notice it in a U turn usually.
> 
>  
> 
> Well Longbikes is still around I know, making the Slipstream their updated version of the Ryan Vanguard. I believe Linear is still going. Others will have to chime in now. I?ve been fixating on bikes from a few years back as you can tell and honestly not up to date on what is current.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks re my sell date I?ve been trying to figure it out. I remember who I sold it to but for the life of me I don?t remember who I got it from! Larry at the store? A private party? I don?t have a clue! I know I had it in 2000 since I am on it in a pic of the 2000 Big Ride. I?m going to have to dig out some photo albums of some rides to see what I had and when. Now that I think of it I sold my Linear to a friend who rode it for several years. Then gave it back to me when he bought a SWB. I seem to have a habit of selling bikes and getting them back. LOL. I hope that monstrous Russian HPV doesn?t come back to roost!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>] On Behalf Of Butler, Michael (AU3653)
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:51 AM
> To: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> 
>  
> 
> I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went out of business in
> 
> They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of business or did Dana find alternatives?
> 
>  As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above average space to turn around?
> 
> Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
> 
> I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>> On Behalf Of Bob Simonds
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
> To: Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>>
> Cc: WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> 
>  
> 
> I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often as I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the list pop up again.
> 
>  
> 
> I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US. Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the big rides?
> 
>  
> 
> Bob Simonds,
> 
> Blacksburg, VA
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com <mailto:Mark at matarella.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got mixed
> in with other stuff. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us <mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us>] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us <mailto:whirl at bilton.us>>
> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
> Hi all as well!
> 
> That was such a great event, Mark!
> 
> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at least
> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>
> 
> --Kathy
> in Sharpsburg MD
> 
> 
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From Mark at Matarella.com  Sun Apr 12 16:06:33 2020
From: Mark at Matarella.com (Mark Matarella)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:33 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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Thanks Len,

 

    I?m literally compiling notes for laughs on what I got and when. My guess for the Pursuit was 99 so I?ve updated to say I had by 98. LOL.  My Stratus is wide turning radius too but for me that tight turn issue is almost never an issue on a real world ride. I felt like the Pursuit with a Zzipper fairing was quite fast indeed.
    

    One day when I had ridden down to Mt Vernon with the Rans Stratus AND the BOB trailer on the back a couple roadies asked me how I could possibly ride that part of the trail and it?s twisties on that combo. I suggested if they were ready to leave they follow me and find out. It was winter, the trees were bare  (so you could see ahead past bends) and the trail empty. I?m happy to see I lost them.

   And yes Kathy thanks for keeping this in place, nice trip down memory lane.

 

 

Mark Matarella

2917 Glenpark Rd 

Palm Harbor FL 34683

H:727-789-2317

C:703-725-7638

https://www.facebook.com/mark.matarella
https://www.palmharborwoodcrafts.com/

 

 

 

From: Lennert Thunberg [mailto:lennertthunberg at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:11 PM
To: William Cannon Warren <cannonwarren at gmail.com>; Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
Cc: Whirl List <whirl at bilton.us>
Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!

 

Mark,

 

With regard to when you bought your Pursuit I can guarantee you had it before the fall of 1998 because that?s when I saw it at the Washington Sailing Marina and was inspired to purchase my first of several bents.

 

As to turning radius my experience was that it was quite large, partly in view  of the long wheelbase, but also because of the low center of gravity and the long tiller effect, both of which made low speed handling more difficult than on most bents.  Despite the low-speed handling problems the Pursuit is still my favorite bent of all the ones I have owned.  The combination of comfort and speed(with a fairing), without having to resort to a very laid-back seating position, is superior to that of any other bent I have ridden.  I have no  doubt that the Pursuit, with the factory fairing and tailbox, is faster on the level and downhill, but not climbing, than a Gold Rush Replica with the zipped-up closed cloth fairing.  I?m sure I would get a lot of flack on this, but the lower frontal area of the Pursuit is too much for the Gold Rush to compete with.

 

It?s sad that so many of the companies that promoted the emergence of recumbents in the 1990s and 2000s are no longer with us.  I also find it sad that so much of the recumbent market is dominated by trikes.  I?m a huge fan of trikes, having owned two, but the greater speed, reduced weight, easier transportability and stowage, as well as lesser cost, should make two-wheel bents at least as popular as trikes.

 

Enjoy riding your cycles as a way of dealing with this pandemic, and thank you Kathy for keeping this forum going.

 

Len Thunberg

 

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From josephsoutham at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 16:42:53 2020
From: josephsoutham at gmail.com (Joseph Southam)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
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Please remove me from this mailing list.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 4:11 PM Lennert Thunberg <lennertthunberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mark,
>
> With regard to when you bought your Pursuit I can guarantee you had it
> before the fall of 1998 because that?s when I saw it at the Washington
> Sailing Marina and was inspired to purchase my first of several bents.
>
> As to turning radius my experience was that it was quite large, partly in
> view  of the long wheelbase, but also because of the low center of gravity
> and the long tiller effect, both of which made low speed handling more
> difficult than on most bents.  Despite the low-speed handling problems the
> Pursuit is still my favorite bent of all the ones I have owned.  The
> combination of comfort and speed(with a fairing), without having to resort
> to a very laid-back seating position, is superior to that of any other bent
> I have ridden.  I have no  doubt that the Pursuit, with the factory fairing
> and tailbox, is faster on the level and downhill, but not climbing, than a
> Gold Rush Replica with the zipped-up closed cloth fairing.  I?m sure I
> would get a lot of flack on this, but the lower frontal area of the Pursuit
> is too much for the Gold Rush to compete with.
>
> It?s sad that so many of the companies that promoted the emergence of
> recumbents in the 1990s and 2000s are no longer with us.  I also find it
> sad that so much of the recumbent market is dominated by trikes.  I?m a
> huge fan of trikes, having owned two, but the greater speed, reduced
> weight, easier transportability and stowage, as well as lesser cost, should
> make two-wheel bents at least as popular as trikes.
>
> Enjoy riding your cycles as a way of dealing with this pandemic, and thank
> you Kathy for keeping this forum going.
>
> Len Thunberg
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:45 AM, William Cannon Warren <cannonwarren at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Heyo,
>
> I'm new to the group, signed up a year or two ago looking for some bent
> riding mates, but have now moved on to Frankfurt, Germany. I left my bent
> bikes in the US for the moment. A bacchetta ti aero, and a barcroft
> Columbia tandem.
>
> Last year the tandem's steel chain stay snapped close to the frame. I had
> some local dude, Bruce the welder, weld it back together, but sadly the
> other stays were bent out of shape so now it's all screwed up. I'm trying
> to get it fixed and considering just replacing all the chain and seat stays
> at this point. They seem a little under-engineered for a touring couple.
>
> Does anyone have recommendations for someone who can work on a steel
> recumbent frame with this kind of problem? Obviously, I'm not in any
> hurry...
>
> Thanks and hope I can ride with y'all soon, and feel free to drop a line
> if anyone comes to Germany.
>
> Best,
>
> Cannon
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 7:09 AM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com> wrote:
>
>> Howdy. I didn?t realize they?d done frames for Bill. Or didn?t remember
>> at least. I was able to turn it OK. But I am used to LWB. It does have a
>> large tiller factor but that does not really bug me in a bike since I only
>> notice it in a U turn usually.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well Longbikes is still around I know, making the Slipstream their
>> updated version of the Ryan Vanguard. I believe Linear is still going.
>> Others will have to chime in now. I?ve been fixating on bikes from a few
>> years back as you can tell and honestly not up to date on what is current.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks re my sell date I?ve been trying to figure it out. I remember who
>> I sold it to but for the life of me I don?t remember who I got it from!
>> Larry at the store? A private party? I don?t have a clue! I know I had it
>> in 2000 since I am on it in a pic of the 2000 Big Ride. I?m going to have
>> to dig out some photo albums of some rides to see what I had and when. Now
>> that I think of it I sold my Linear to a friend who rode it for several
>> years. Then gave it back to me when he bought a SWB. I seem to have a habit
>> of selling bikes and getting them back. LOL. I hope that monstrous Russian
>> HPV doesn?t come back to roost!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] *On Behalf Of *Butler,
>> Michael (AU3653)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:51 AM
>> *To:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
>> around!
>>
>>
>>
>> I hadn?t realized Rotator was out of business till the tone of these
>> conversations got me wondering why not just buy a new.  Is see they went
>> out of business in
>>
>> They used to fabricate the frames for Barcroft before Bill retired from
>> that activity and sold it to Dana out west.  Is Barcroft also out of
>> business or did Dana find alternatives?
>>
>>  As long as the Pursuit was, was wondering did that bent need above
>> average space to turn around?
>>
>> Is anyone building a very long wheelbase bent these days?
>>
>> I remember riding the Halloween parade with Bikes at Vienna-Whirl back in
>> 04.  Is that bent appearance still going on each fall?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark- I remember you selling that bent-I came on board here about 02, so
>> I think it was a little less than 20, maybe 02 or 03.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* WHIRL <whirl-bounces at bilton.us> *On Behalf Of *Bob Simonds
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:04 PM
>> *To:* Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
>> *Cc:* WHIRL <whirl at bilton.us>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still
>> around!
>>
>>
>>
>> I rode with you guys a few times in the late 90s, although not as often
>> as I would have liked as I live 4 or 5 hours away. It's good to see the
>> list pop up again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still ride a P38 I bought from Larry Black in 1994 -- the bike now has
>> well over 40k miles on it, although the frame has been out to Tim Brummer a
>> couple times for repairs. It's been to Europe as well as across the US.
>> Most of its miles were as my daily commuter for many years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark, are you the one that gave a tour of your sailboat during one of the
>> big rides?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Simonds,
>>
>> Blacksburg, VA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Matarella <Mark at matarella.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  HI Kathy. I thought I'd be the only one to still have the shirts! I have
>> that one and the one from 1999. I thought I had three but if so it got
>> mixed
>> in with other stuff.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WHIRL [mailto:whirl-bounces at bilton.us] On Behalf Of KATHY BILTON
>> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:38 AM
>> To: 'WHIRL' <whirl at bilton.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Whirl] So I've rejoined the list to see who is still around!
>> Hi all as well!
>>
>> That was such a great event, Mark!
>>
>> More later but I just got my Big Ride T-shirt out in honor of the (at
>> least
>> for now) resuscitation of the list and thought I would post a pic:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw
>> <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1KE4nQUwxfcA9TZ9LyCTlwiY2RzAZ2mrw&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.butler%40uspto.gov%7C71b5415fbec54c8be54908d7de3a6ce2%7Cff4abfe983b540268b8ffa69a1cad0b8%7C1%7C0%7C637222214830552375&sdata=pu1n%2Bw1YL3xEHIkJMneQtU6dippWObbXHdEF%2BFKl0Eo%3D&reserved=0>
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>> --Kathy
>> in Sharpsburg MD
>>
>>
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